Theo Fleury and Kim Barthel

Conversations With a Rattlesnake

Raw and honest reflections on healing and trauma

Conversations with a RattlesnakeFollowing the release of his mind-blowing first book Playing with Fire, Theo Fleury joins forces with world-renowned therapist Kim Barthel in a new book Conversations with a Rattlesnake, coming out November 2014. The book is a raw and honest conversation, loaded with personal insights and cutting-edge information about healing from trauma and abuse.

Fleury calls Barthel the Wayne Gretzky of therapy, and within their emotionally safe relationship he bares his soul so that others can learn from his mistakes, triumphs, and new learnings. Fleury’s story will inspire not only those overcoming their own trauma but friends, parents, teachers, coaches, therapists, and health practitioners. Anyone who is in the critical position of supporting someone who needs to share their own story.

Co-author Kim Barthel provides an in-depth explanation of early childhood attachment and addiction that ties into the reasoning behind our behaviours and the science of how our brains work. Barthel explains how understanding groundbreaking scientific and psychological research can eliminate the unnecessary and damaging shame that so often accompanies abuse and trauma. Her dialogue with Fleury illuminates self-awareness, mindfulness, and the power of relationships. Fleury’s life experiences and Barthel’s informed interpretation combine to provide a unique look at the healing process that is easy to read, entertaining and transformational.










About the Authors

Theo Fleury

Theo-FleuryTheo Fleury used to be best known for his time on the ice; he’s an NHL Stanley Cup Champion, a 2002 Olympic Gold Medallist for Canada and a World Junior Champion. Then in 2009 Fleury wrote the best-selling novel Playing with Fire in which he speaks of his troubled home life as a child, traumatic years of sexual abuse and then his often-out-of-control life off the ice as an adult. Now, in 2014, Theo has an amazing reason to jump out of bed in the morning. He is a healing motivator with an ever-growing knowledge in the field of relational trauma.

Theo’s mission statement, to help as many people get to where they want to go, has taken shape in many forms, whether meeting people for a brief moment on the street or as a dynamic inspirational speaker. He loves people, their stories and their journeys. He is committed to daily transformation through self-reflection, mindfulness and new action. His compassionate spirit allows others to feel safe and whole through experiencing his vulnerability. Theo has been awarded the Canadian Humanitarian Award and the Queen’s Jubilee Medallion. He is an Honorary Chief, recipient of the Aboriginal Indspire Award and most recently, Theo was humbled to accept an honorary doctorate in Science from the University of Guelph-Humber for outstanding contributions to the mental health of Canadians.

Find Theo at or follow him on Twitter at @TheoFleury14.

Kim Barthel

Kim-BarthelKim Barthel is a sought-after speaker and therapist, most actively teaching in the fields of relational trauma, attachment theory and sensory processing. Her revolutionary process reinforces the importance of blending intuitive inquiry with cutting edge developments in neuroscience. She travels extensively worldwide, especially throughout Asia in recent years, developing services for children with developmental disabilities and trauma. In Canada, Barthel had her own multi-disciplinary clinic for 10 years in Winnipeg where she also expanded services supporting high-risk youth.

She later developed mental health services for children in the Kivalliq Region of Nunavut, and today supports people with the extremes of complex behaviour throughout Vancouver Island. Barthel is addicted to learning and sharing as much as she can on the topics of mental health and healing, and has contributed chapters in many textbooks related to a wide spectrum of topics. She is not specifically a hockey fan, but continues to be awed and inspired by Fleury’s commitment to his own healing.

Find Kim at or follow her on Twitter at @laby66.

Praise for ‘Conversations With a Rattlesnake’

I’ve had a few teammates who have had struggles in the past, and I know how hard it is to make a comeback in life. I’m really happy for Theo, and where he is today, because that’s where we all wanted him to be in the first place. Theo gets that healing takes teamwork.
Mario Lemieux

Illuminated by Kim Barthel’s insights and research and by Theo’s own humorously self-deprecating and keen awareness, their refreshing discussion ranges over the field of trauma and recovery, therapy and human development.
Gabor Mate, MD, Best selling author of In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts


Featured on Global News “The Morning Show”

Interview with The Toronto Star

Interview on City TV’s Breakfast Television

Interview with the Edmonton Sun